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down. so despite having his case selected by the supreme court, his case was dismissed for missing the deadline. until now. he's not only reemerged but done so with an exclamation point. his petition is being taken up by three lawyers, including paul clement, who is a very conservative guy, famous guy, once served as u.s. attorney general for one day. he's considered before the foremost supreme court litigator in the country and he's now bobby chen's lawyer. his case is getting heard and he's got the biggest big shot lawyer in the world to help him. bobby chen best comeback ever. now time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." two days after jordan's king abdullah promised a "earth shaking response for the killing of a jordanian pilot by the
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islamic state," as many as 20 jordanian fighter jets launched air strikes against the islamic state. today, the king said -- >> as "the new york times" reports, muslims all over the world are condemning the islamic state's execution of that pilot. in egypt, the muslim brotherhood and the egyptian government for once agreed on something, the bar barety of the militant group for the way it murdered the jordanian. and in cairo, they called for the islamic state extremists to be killed or crucified or their hands and legs cut off. today, president obama commented on the islamic state at the national prayer breakfast. the place where presidents go to
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pander to leaders of organized religions once a year. >> i agree with those who have said that in my first statement after i testified, i was not contrite enough. i don't think there is a fancy way to say that i have sinned. it is important to me that everybody who has been hurt know that the sorrow i feel is genuine. >> at this hour we have troops that are assembling in the middle east. there's oppressive regimes that seek terrible weapons. we face an ongoing threat of terror. >> if you ever want to search for the worst speeches given by a modern president, begin with the national prayer breakfast, the first of which was attended by president eisenhower in 1953. president obama, who is the most gifted writer and speaker in the history of the american presidency, today delivered the worst speech of his presidency.
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it was full of hollow pandering from start to finish as politician speeches to religious groups always are, and he insists that the islamic state is not islamic. >> from a school in pakistan to the streets of paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for their faith. profess to stand up for islam, but are in fact betraying it. you see, isis, a brutal, vicious ket death cult, that in the name of religion terrorizes the religious minorities, like the yuzidis, subjecting women to rape and claiming a religious
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mantle for such actions. lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. in our home country, slavery and jim crow all too often was justified in the name of christ. there's wisdom in our founders writing in those documents that helped found this nation the notion of freedom of religion because they understood the need for humility. no god condones terror. no grievance justifies the taking of innocent lives, or the oppression of those who are weaker, or fewer in number.
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so as people of faith, we are summoned to push back against those who try to disorttort our religion. >> joining me now is founder of women for women international, jerry kind author of "faith versus fact why science and faith are incomepatibleincompatible." i just wanted to get your reaction to what you heard the president say today. >> i wouldn't call it the worst speech at all. i would call it a measured one, a thoughtful one, and someone that knows what islam is going through, an identity crisis an historical moment of implosion within itself. all religion has gone through this, and it is now islam's turn. there is a lot of work to do be done. >> what was your reaction to it? >> it really breaks my heart to hear the words that president
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obama said today. with all due respect, i think that it's president obama that needs to get off the high horse and he needs to put his feet and plant them firmly on the ground and acknowledge that there is a very serious interpretation of islam in the world that is wreaking havoc on all of us and we have to take it on and be honest about what the problem is in our world today. >> professor, your reaction? >> i agree with the last speaker. obama is slowly coming around to the realization that it isn't just terrorism involved here but it's motivated by religion. he continues to say that faith does not justify the massacre of innocents, when the bible says that in the old testament, and the islam faith, at least this particular sunni sect says that. when he finally admits that this is a religiously motivated horror, then i'll approve of what he says.
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>> i would like to let you listen to something he said at the united nations in september, where he was not speaking to religious leaders. he said he struck a very different tone about this. let's listen to that. >> first, the terrorist group known as isil must be degraded and ultimately destroyed. second it is time for the world, especially in muslim communities, to explicitly, forcefully and consistently reject the ideology of organizations like al qaeda and isis. >> no line like that in today's speech. it is the responsibility for a muslim community to reject this kind of we'll call it reversion to old theology, whatever we want to call it, he was suggesting this thing happens in all religions. >> as a muslim, i think what islam is going through is an identity crisis indeed.
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a lot of people are confused their their religion within their religion. i just came from the middle east haste night, and people say what is the religion the one we grew up with 40 years ago or the one they are telling us it is right now? so i do think it has become more conservative and more violent than it's ever been in the last decades. so there is a crisis in here. is it a predestined crisis? no, it's not. it's a point of history we have to be outspoken about as muslims. that is not happening. i don't think islam is a violent religion, nor do i think any religion is violent. the core of any religion is doing good. >> catholicism was the most
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murderous force on the face of the earth for hundreds of years. but that's hundreds of years ago. that's 800 years ago. and so for the president to make a comparison to the islamic state, he has to reach back 100 years in catholicism and then tell catholics and christians today, don't get on your high horse. asra in the process, the president seems to be saying that he knows what real islam is, he knows that there is such a thing as real islam, and that he can tell you -- i'll ask asra to respond to it but he can tell you what it is, that is a frequent mistake of people who have not been highly educated in religion make thinking there is an identifyiable, real version of any religion. >> that's why i think that it's actually an act of sitting on the high horse, when you try to pretend what we see in the world
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today isn't real. we're just standing in a hall of mirrors. if i have bags under my eyes it's because i've spent the last 48 hours dissecting every second of the sad video that documented the video of the jordanian pilot. i will tell you how that video begins. it begin with -- which means in the name of allah, the merciful. it then went to a very obvious declaration that this was from the islamic state. it was not some fancy acronym like isil or isis. it was clearly the islamic state. then the video proceeded to talk about the crusades which we had mentioned at the prayer breakfast today, to bring up every grievance against israel the jews and every other possible infraction anybody has ever done against muslims, and that is how we act out with violence.
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then they proceeded to talk about koranic verses which tells the believers to have courage to fight and to make courage in their fight. and then it proceeded to tell us that there is a saying from the prophet muhammad and a fatwah that says we should participate in these just wars even against fellow muslims. so to pretend this isn't a reality of islam in the world today, that there is a true islam that is the reality of our world is to me just a dance that we're playing to our peril. >> professor, within every religion, there are arguments about what the proper tenants of a religion should be. moat kath most catholics in the united states of america support abortion rights.
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the pope says that is absolutely wrong, and that teaching is rejected worldwide by catholics and accepted worldwide by catholics and there are many other arguments, you used to be ex-communicated if you got divorced. religions move they change. i would love to hear the president describe what true judaism is. this is just an amazing mistake that the president's speechwriters and the president could make today, the notion that this president or anyone can specifically tell us what is real islam or the real version of any other religion. we even have disagreements of islam with two muslims here on the show. >> this is no true version of islam that you can put your
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finger on. you can say well it's -- the true religions is what is in the scripture. in that case christianity even though you have to reach back to committing things like the inquisition, even christianity has an old testament that approves of terrorism, of terrorism of innocents, of adultery, of rape of genocide. how do chris chance write that out as not being true christianity when it's in the old testament? >> can i say -- >> let me finish here. the problem with saying true islam has been hijacked by isis is not true. what's happened with christianity is it's become tamer over the centuries because it was hijacked by the secular enlightenment values that have gotten rid of those horrible statements in the old testament. that's what needs to happen with islam. it needs to be hijacked by
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inlightenment values. >> what we can say about certain religions is there's a dominant version of it. there's a dominant version of catholicism, especially in certain countries where most people, 60%, 70% think the following should behave a certain way. so different versions are trying to dominate others within islam. >> it is true but i would not legitimize isis' point of view. this is not because i'm a liberal muslim. >> no one here is saying that isis is the real islam. >> okay good. >> but once you say it's not the real islam, you are implying that you can identify there is a real one. >> there is no way we can all tell what is the real islam. but there are waves that happen in history about religious -- islam is right now going through a crisis. i cannot legitimize isis, just
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because they quoted the koran or whatever before the horrible execution, that does not make them real muslims or make them muslims. >> i disagree. >> we're out of time. what it certainly doesn't do is prove that they're not muslim, okay? >> the president is actually trying to open a way to involve the religion and have a discussion within the religion. if we think of it as doomed, we cannot have a resolution of the discussion. >> what is needed most right now is a liberal value that talks about religion within islam. >> that is where you both agree. i wish we had more time for this tonight. thank you all very much for joining me tonight. coming up what a pentagon analysis of the mind of vladamir putin says about what might be behind his extreme control.
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might have seen things or done some things over there that you wish you hadn't? >> oh, that's not me, no. >> what's not you? >> i was just protecting my guys. they were trying to kill our soldiers, and i'm willing to meet my creator and answer for every shot that i took. the thing that haunts me are all the guys that i couldn't save. you know i'm willing and able to be there, but i'm not. i'm here, i quit. >> and you can walk down any hall in this hospital. we got plenty of soldiers that need saving. >> uh-huh. >> want to take a walk? >> one of the soldiers who the real american sniper chris kyle tried to save is now facing trial for the murder of chris kyle and chris kyle's friend chad littlefield at a shooting range in texas.
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jury selection started today where 800 potential jurors have been called in the trial of 27-year-old eddie ray ralph, a former marine whose lawyers are arguing is now not guilty by reason of insanity. potential jurors are filling out questionnaires this week with opening arguments planned for wednesday. defense attorneys have asked for the trial to be moved and postponed, arguing it will be impossible to find an impartial jury. chris kyle's book sold 1.6 million copies and the movie "american sniper" is the most watched movie of the year in america so far. joining me now is msnbc contributor and the first iraq war veteran to serve in congress, patrick murray. patrick, you're a former prosecutor. take us through what you think the dimensions of this trial are. >> sure. well, first thing as you mentioned, lawrence, you're seeing this trial happen right now where you have 800 citizens
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from texas, in a county that is a rural county about 40,000 people. they're going to take these 800 and bring them to 12 with two alternating. that's going to be next week. so monday and tuesday, they're going to widdle those down to about 200 and have voir dire and ask these individuals, you know, can they give an independent judgment, do they have any preconceived notions. the attorneys on both sides will argue, the defense will certain hi think that their client is not going to have a fair trial, because some of them a lot of them will have seen that movie "american sniper" or read that book. >> and that won't necessarily be disqualifying. >> exactly. >> they will all be asked that but that won't in and of itself be disqualifying. they will be asked, can you put that aside, the movie, the book and look at this evidence
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fairly. >> right. and they will also be asked their stances on the mental insanity defense, will they keep an open mind towards that. that's what the defense attorney also get at. that's the crux of their case. we all know he's going to go away for a long time but the question is is he going to a prison or mental institution. >> let's listen to what his wife said about this. >> it was a double homicide and the people i know with ptsd are good people and they live a good life. i feel like whatever you were before you went into war is what you're going to be on the other side, with a major twist. you're going to have moodiness, sleepless nights a hard time. but yeah i don't buy it and i don't think it's appropriate, and i think it's a very lame excuse for horrible behavior.
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>> patrick, your reaction, a lame excuse? >> there's no doubt, lawrence we've had 2.6 million americans that served in iraq and afghanistan. many served multiple deployments. eddie ray had two. about 40% will come back with post traumatic stress disorder or brain injury and some people are just broken when they come back. there's veterans that do great things when they come back, but there's others that struggle so much. and i think this is a case from my reading of it eddie ray in this case clearly had ptsd and lit be interesting to see how this trial plays out, whether he was mentally insane and that caused the murder of chris kyle. >> does the prosecution thus far, have they offered any other motivation for these murders? >> no.
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from the game and what the seahawk players had to say about the loss. >> tell me a little bit about what it's been like to be pete carroll of the last three days? >> it's been a whirl wind. i feel responsible for a lot of people right now, from the family to the organization to the coaches and players, it extends well beyond that as we go into the community. there's a lot of people that care a lot about what we're doing. our game hit them really hard. >> you're sounding like pete carroll the football coach. let me try it again. what has it been like to be pete carroll the human being this >> started off with having to get right, get my mind right to take on what i was going to have to do. that was face everybody and give them some perspective to move ahead. >> taking out the fact that it ended badly for you, you still feel you made exactly the right call? >> well, no this is the way i
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look at it. i made the call that comes out of the process of the preparation and the practice. i think that we're going to do exactly the right thing, or we won't call the play we won't ask our guys to execute it. so i they have make a call thinking it's going to go bad. >> this was properly planned, it just didn't turn out well. >> we knew we were going to throw the ball one time in the sequence and we did. >> you can never win that super bowl again. that one is gone. let's talk about turning the corner and turning the page. you said something on the radio that caught my attention, you said my whole life has equipped me to deal with this moment. can you explain that to me? >> i'm a really optimistic positive person that thinks the next thing that's going to come up is going to be a good thing. it doesn't matter what situation i'm in that's just how i'm wired. >> have you been able to sleep over the last three nights?
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>> i'm sleeping up some. i wake up and i can't stop thinking about it. it's the waking up and getting back to sleep is the problem. >> have you allowed yourself to have that one moment lying in bed where the tears flowed -- you're smiling at me but i mean it. >> that happened that the 4:05 mark on tuesday morning. there was a break where i allowed all of the rush of it to hit. >> were you alone at that point in your family? >> just lying in bed, in the middle of the night, 4:05 a.m. that's what happened. that was my opportunity to go ahead and visit it. >> so you don't think you're going to be five years down the road still thinking what could have, should have been? >> no. let me tell you this one. these don't go away. these occurrences, they don't
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leave. these occurrences have stayed with me over the years in a manner that they fuel me. you know the one in the s.e.c. a third national championship opportunity, 19 seconds left 4th and 7, those don't go away. i don't want to wash them out and ignore them. i want they will to help me be right. >> if you listened to the noise out there, you could get down pretty quickly. >> but i don't think that's the case. because i know where it's coming from and i know they're doing the best they can to figure it out. >> you had a team meeting yesterday. you had all the team players together. what do you call it? >> tell the truth monday. >> so you stood up in front of that group of players who had to be a bit heart broken. what was the truth you told them? >> i wanted to make sure they went through the whole process of what happened at the end.
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>> went through the play again. >> through the whole thinking and reminded them of how we've done things so they realized whether or not you want -- even the players want to agree with the way we did it know this is the way we have practiced to execute in this moment. >> did they all agree, did anyone stand up and say coach -- >> they could have but they didn't. nobody did. i don't think at this point everybody is on the same page about that sequence necessarily. but that's okay. >> you said on the radio, we're going to make this right. how do you make it right? >> by getting to the truth, by getting in there talking about it facing it up. everybody has cleared their minds. it's when you finally gather and you're read yet to take the next step. we're going to go places that will be extraordinary. >> so there's a story of redemption that you've already begun to write? >> it's well under way. >> how do you think coach carroll is handling it?
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we'll ask a sports shrink next. also, if you're in seattle, you might need some help from this shrink. that's next. i will be out of the office until monday, and won't be checking voicemail during this time. i'll reply just as soon as i get back to work. sail with princess cruises the number one cruise line in alaska. save up to $500 during our 50th anniversary sale. call your travel consultant or 1-800-princess. princess cruises. come back new. ♪ at kraft we start with eggs oil, and our own crafted vinegar. all expertly blended to make our mayo. so you can take whatever you're making from good to amazing. get inspired at kraftrecipes.com
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wealth management at charles schwab these don't go away. these occurrences, they don't leave. these occurrences have stayed with me over the years if a manner that they fuel me. >> joining me now, from seattle, jordan schultz. and from florida, sports psychologist harold shaniski. he is the author of "take control of your anxiety." doctor, how do you think the coach is handling it? >> i am so impressed at his honesty, his ability to take responsibility. obviously, there's an offensive coordinator who helped call the plays. but the reality is it's a
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process. you never have the perfect play. things have to be executed. in that situation, they came one a play that if i'm not mistaken, you realize one yard away from the end zone 66 times it's been passed zero interceptions. so they were looking at that in reality. unfortunately, the may didn't work where the defensive back didn't get shoved back but made a beeline. so we should be celebrating the defense that looked tat way the play was set up. it was remarkable defense. >> jordan schultz, we invited you back because we're worried about you. we have a shrink here to help you. >> you should be. >> a seattle native watching this happen to your team out there. you know we're going to give you the doctor's number too so you can have a private conversation with him. how are you, and the rest of
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seattle processing coach carroll's reaction to all this? you watched this matt lauer interview, you hear him talk about what he was thinking. you hear him talk about how he's handling it. it's bothering his sleep, he spilled some tears about it. i'm sure he's not the only one in seattle. >> no question about it lawrence. i'm so happy to be back on. seattle really is the quiteetest i've ever seen it. it's like a morgue here. nobody understands what happened. the one thing is with pete carroll, people would like him to say hey, we made a mistake. there is a sense that the call went wrong but playing the result is what is bothering some fans, that would like to see the coach say it was the wrong play call. obviously if the call works we're celebrating, but i'm not convinced even if the play resulted in a touchdown it was the right call.
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>> doctor what i was so impressed by psychologically, yes, this thing is never going to go away, and i think we all understand that part of it. but what moves him forward is being an optimist that belief that he has, that optimists have, i don't know where they get it but this belief the next thing is going to be good the next thing is going to be better. >> that's a great attitude to have. if you believe in yourself and the process, you're able to look positively. live and learn. we always talk about it with our athletes and coaches. but you have to develop a short term memory. you cannot dwell on the past because you can't change it. so being able to take the situation, realize there are no guaranties. all you can ever do is increase your probability of success, doing your best. >> jordan sports is filled with stuff that doesn't work. most basketball players, you know most of their shots frequently miss.
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certainly most baseball players, most swings of the bat, they just plain miss and they can't be thinking about the pitch that they just swung at and missed. this coach is in a much bigger version of this because he has to live with this one for quite a while. it's a different rhythm now when it happens literally in the final minute of the final game of the year. >> exactly, lawrence. it was the highest rated game ever. you throw in all the pressure and now you have the whole off-season to lead 53 men through a situation where they had never been through and never hoped they would have to experience. the one thing about pete carroll, the success he's had at the college and nfl level he's a leader and players love playing for him. he's not the most well liked guy in the nfl in terms of coaches, but the coaches all swear by him, because he lets them be them. i think in that situation, he
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trusted russell wilson. wilson kept saying trust me trust me. so there is a connection there, and i think pete carroll, if anybody is asked to be able to overcome this and get a group of guys together moving forward, it would be him. >> let's listen to his response to matt lauer's big question, would you do it again? >> take the outcome out of it because nothing you can do about it. you would make the same call if the game were today? >> we can change the rhythm of those calls. one of the calls was going to be a pass to stop the clock. a time-out would stop one, an incomplete pass. game is over if you score. so that happened to be that one. going back again, i might do it differently. i'm not going to tell my opponents which way i'm going to do it. >> doctor we've seen coaches who, under that kind of stress end up with cardiac problems they internalize it. what i'm hearing from him is he
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seems to be processing this about as helpfully as you can. >> absolutely. he has the capacity to look at the situation, realize based on going over film what they could do in this moment to increase the probability of success. in his mind this decision was a realistic and positive one. it didn't work out. just because they lost in the super bowl second place isn't first loser. the ability to be able to harness this for the next year. >> jordan coach carroll has, i think, pulled out of this remarkably well. we're still worried about you. i'm going to send you the full matt lauer interview, because i want you to memorize the coach's responses to this so you can internalize them. it will help you, i think, get through tomorrow and the time it will take to get another super bowl win in seattle. >> thank you. i appreciate it lawrence.
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pete carroll did say if we score, it's over. my question is exactly. run the ball and don't worry about the clock. but that is a conversation i'll probably be having the rest of my life with myself. >> thank you both very much for joining me tonight. we'll be right back. vitamins and minerals antioxidants and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ mom ] with life insurance, we're not just insuring our lives... we're
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at age 88, harper lee is publishing her second novel entitled "go set a watchman." today, her attorney said she's delighted by the response to her second book. she's alive and kicking and happy as hell with the reactions. gregory peck won an oscar from the film version of "to kill a mocking bird," which harper lee co-wrote. gregory peck's daughter met harper lee on the set and visited with harper lee recently in alabama. >> been friends with harper since i was born since i was 2, when i went to college she would, you know always call me
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up and ask me what courses i was taking. you know i wanted to study 20th century american literature. she would say, you've got to study the classics? but why, i'm interested in faulkner. she said you can't understand them if you haven't read the classics, child. she was always part of my life. harper is such a strong name for a girl. when we found out we were having a boy, we had a discussion whether harper was a good name for a boy, so we gave it to our son. we took him and his sister to monroeville for spring break last year. my husband, daniel and i took a drive through the south with the children, and we spent two days with harper in monroeville and had the best time. she's so -- she's just the most interesting person.
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she's just like an encyclopedia about alabama and interested in politics and sports and fishing and loves to laugh. you know she's such a private person she's like a private national treasure and i'm blessed enough to have this relationship with her. everybody always wondered is there another book? and harper didn't welcome all of the attention that came along with "to kill a mocking bird." it made her become very private for her whole life. i just think she's decided that the world wants to know what became of scout and i feel so lucky that we're getting another book from one of our greatest american writers. coming up an army of shrinks at the pentagon have been trying to figure out vladamir putin.
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many people clean their dentures with toothpaste or plain water. and even though their dentures look clean, in reality they're not. if a denture were to be put
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under a microscope we can see all the bacteria that still exists on the denture and that bacteria multiplies very rapidly. that's why dentists recommend cleaning with polident everyday. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher brighter denture everyday. "usa today" revealed a 2008 pentagon think tank report which theorizes russian president vladamir putin has an atusic disorder. researchers cannot prove their theory without scanning vladamir putin's brain. the pentagon said the research never reached the secretary of defense. the report notes putin's primary
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form of compensation is extreme control. joining me now is adrian karaniski, and dr. justin frank from the george washington university medical center. dr. frank, of course the cia and other intelligence agencies around the world have tried to do psychological profiles of especially their opponents around the world. what do you make of this one? >> well this is not at all at the same level as what the cia did. the cia hired psychiatrists and psycho analysts who have done extensive research into these people, not just watching theme on videotape and dealing with their own fantasies about what different body movements mean. i was sort of surprised, really that the pentagon -- that the d.o.d. would pay this kind of money. the cia is doing an important job and they have made an
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effort. i felt it was important to do an analysis of obama and bush both of wish i have done were very serious, which, you know it's a very difficult situation, but it's important to know the psychology of who our leaders are. this thing about putin seems silly in a way, because asberger's people are not interested in riding around on a horse bareback or interested in doing all of the shenanigans he does stealing a super bowl ring from the owner of the patriots and then saying i could kill someone with this ring. those are -- he's a guy who is not an asberger's guy. >> can you explain him stealing super bowl ring sngss? >> no, i can't. but he feels he's entitled. he views the russian inheritance
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as an imperial in grand terms of all these stalin is a big model for him, a powerful ruthless leader peter the great. he does have a sense of -- >> you look more toward the historic social psychology of russia? >> more towards a narrower period. i think putin is more kgb. there is a cult of toughness among males. he's trying to play to them with these various scenes of activity. you're supposed to be kind of cold hard hitting, the charles bronson is alive well "death wish" is alive and well in russian movies. it is what russian young men are growing up it's it be tough and society has been preparing -- putin has been preparing them for this more aggressive type of behavior. i would see that as a more important culture trend that is
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occurring in russia than this psychological tinkering with psychology. >> how does that sound, mr. dank more cultural than anything else? >> well first of all, the people tinkering with the psychology is the tingrers. the cultural stuff doesn't really address this particular person, which i assumed was the point of the pentagon report. that they would kind of address him. it's very easy to generalize about russian culture and talk about this and that. but this is a person who, i agree that he was a spy and a kgb person and there are people who have asberger's who are drawn to the world of espionage. this is the 50th anniversary of the public case of "the spy who came in from the cold." you can see a lot of character
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studies on the different people who are cold blooded, the way putin seems to be at times. but i don't know what else to say. >> all right. we can leave it there, justin frank, tonight on "all in." >> we should not wait for more children to get sick or die before we act. >> the measles outbreak continues, 145 cases over 45 states. >> it is children all under the age of one. >> the california lawmaker trying to end exemptions for measles vaccines. and the republican frontrunner moved into his first scandal. the story of scott walker and abandoning the search for truth. the texas lawmaker threatened by an open carr

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